I have read here on GC that some NPCs require a chapter to make quota before the chapter is eligible for certain inter/national awards. As such, I would hope that both the Alpha Phi and the Kappa Delta chapters will be eligible within their organizations since both chapters took the *maximum* number allowed.

Ohio State has different guidelines. Chapter total cannot be exceeded regardless of what quota is. This is to prevent an imbalance of chapter size and to keep more chapters on campus.

I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it has been forever. Panhellenic Council lowered chapter total from 105 to 100 sometime during the 90s because of fewer girls going through recruitment.

^^^Penn State was like that when I was there, too. We could only pledge to chapter total.

Does anybody have a Green Book handy? I sincerely think that the concept of an NPC Quota/Total Recruitment means that every chapter can take Quota, whether it takes them over Total or not. I really don't see how a school can get around that.

Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with pledging up to total. A chapter that gets the maximum number of new members it is allowed to bid, and is at total, would seem to an HQ's ideal chapter.

Our house (I forget who has it now - AXD?) slept 55, and only 5 women were willing to live in it, despite the numbers. At the time, I said that it showed more troubles with the house mother/housing corp than the chapter, but since I'm not there, I'm not really "in the know". Besides, my old chapter inherited a lot of their furnishings - a real coup for them!

The same way Indiana can get away with not having a consistent total. Plus, it's a school rule and school rules trump sorority rules - if the sororities don't like the school rules, they leave.

I'm sure that in these type cases, the nationals are aware of the rules and the groups aren't penalized for it. I mean, we had/have some groups that are the only sorority on campus - needless to say they don't have quota (although they do have a membership target). That doesn't stop them from winning membership awards.

Good point.

Irishpipes-

Thank you so much for doing this.. what a lot of work to keep up with everything!

Here are a couple of updates:
Quota at Vanderbilt was 50 and Theta took 50.

Also, on the list of TCU chapters... you have a "?" for the year that KD closed. That happened in the fall of 1992.

According to the Green Book a chapter can exceed total as a result of participating in Panhellenic recruitment, but schools can always modify these rules to say that they can't.

The Green Book also says that women who suicide, SIP, whatever you want to call it are eligible for snap bidding and on some campuses that isn't the case either.

I also know that Nebraska doesn't establish a campus wide quota, it's a per chapter quota that fluctuates from year to year.

There was only one NPC chapter on campus for something like 18 years before we came, so we have a lot of catching up to do (numbers wise). They never had a quota before, so things have really changed this year.

Tulane results?
 

Has anyone heard results from Tulane? I think Bid day was Sunday.

Quota at Elon was 34. I know Alpha Chi made quota :)

Campus rules usually trump the Green Book. At Mason, we adhered pretty strictly to the Green Book but some larger schools have modified the rules. I think only pledging to total would make FR a little more fair - at least for the smaller struggling chapters. I mean, why have total if you can go over it every year by pledging quota? The big get bigger and the small stay small.

Fair? Why penalize the PNMs who wish to join by limiting the number of spaces to total? Quota is a number set based on need and desire for that formal recruitment period.

Think about what you just proposed...Let's say 400 pnms sign up...200 go to pref parties (4 NPCs) so quota is 50. Ahhh...too bad...each group can only pledge up to total.

33, I think you have an apprentice! ;)

That would be unfair IMO. Could you maybe say limit spaces to total and then only go over if all groups are at total? However that brings up the issue of women who would rather not be in a sorority if the only choice is a smaller group.

I didn't say I agreed with it, I just said that it was. Ohio State apparently has a reason for doing things this way, I don't know enough about the campus to say whether it's rational or full of poo.

I understand -- I was just pointing out the diction! :)

I'm very happy to report that as of the end of 2007, Theta Phi Alpha at Creighton had regained recognition from the university. They recently completed their first informal recruitment, finishing with 27 pledge sisters. Congrats to the ladies of Chi chapter on their hard work & a job well done!

Would something like this work? Bid to total and then anything above it would factored into the quota?

For example, 4 chapters with house total at 100.

Start of formal recruitment

ABC: 70 returning members
DEF: 75 returning members
TUV: 80 returning members
XYZ: 85 returning members

The quota needed to get each chapter to total would be as follows.

ABC: 30
DEF: 25
TUV: 20
XYZ: 15

100 PNMs make it to the preference round. Now in theory, since all four chapters could only bid a total number of 90 women, this would mean 10 women would not receive a bid. However, something similar to "quota additions" would be factored into each chapter's quota. Take the remaining 10 PNMs and divide it by the 4 chapters. That would be 2.5. Round down to 2 and allow "quota additions" for the remaining two PNMs.

Thus the revised quota for each chapter would be as follows.

ABC: 32 (30 brings the chapter to total)
DEF: 27 (25 brings the chapter to total)
TUV: 22 (20 brings the chapter to total)
XYZ: 17 (15 brings the chapter to total)

^^ Now my head hurts :(

Nut, I'm a little biased coming from a small chapter. At my school, it seemed that groups who were large already (at total) got to keep going way over total by pledging quota every year which felt a little unfair to the smaller groups. Why set a quota at all if you keep allowing groups to go over it? The only consolation was that pledging quota often put them over total and thus, they couldn't technically participate in informal recruitment in the spring - though our campus Panhel usually allowed them to if they were losing seniors that May. Maybe our Panhel was just corrupt :(

Chapters that are smaller need to learn how to open rush and COB. If you keep dwelling on formal rush, and keep running your informal rush like formal rush, you'll never get anywhere.

TSteven - the glitch in your idea comes up when all 10 PNMs put the same 2 sororities at the top of their lists. Also, that's just bids GIVEN - not necessarily bids accepted. If 16 of those 32 women don't want to be in ABC it doesn't do them a damn bit of good.

33, as soon as I posted, I knew someone would say that. And I can't argue with that point at all - which is precisely what TLCs are for (among other things).

Like I said, I'm biased on this point coming from a smaller chapter and if I ever do become a badass Greek Advisor, I'll have to keep that in check ;):cool:

That wasn't directed at you only, I think there are LOTS of chapters who keep failing because they don't know their strengths. If you're smaller you can have a rush party with girls sitting around your house and actually meet them all. There are too many people who think rush always = formal rush, parties, bump groups, decorations etc etc etc.

33, I didn't think it was necessarily, I was just agreeing with you. And you're right on this point also and thankfully, my chapter didn't make that mistake. One of my favorite rush events was going to Cosi and making s'mores :) Nothing "formal" about that!

Yippee!

Denison University, Tri-Delta Pledge Class

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c...sonTriDelt.jpg

Ohio Wesleyan, Delta Gamma Pledge Class
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/c..._amg/DGOWU.jpg

Way to go for our Zeta Beta chapter! I miss working with them...

Those are some super cute pics - they look so fun and happy!!! Yay for Bid Day - I so miss that!

Tufts (MA, Boston area)

http://media.www.tuftsdaily.com/medi...-3183196.shtml

excerpts (bold added) from the February 1, 2008 article in the Tufts paper:

“Chi Omega extended bids on Sunday to 22 women and all 22 accepted. Alpha Phi extended bids to 21 women and all 21 accepted. Alpha Omicron Pi (AOPi) extended bids to 15 women and 11 women accepted.

This brings the total count of accepted bids to 54, one higher than last year's total. The three sororities extended bids to 58 students, slightly fewer than last year's 64.

. . . AOPi is conducting Continuous Open Bidding to recruit additional new members . . . . “

Miami of Ohio
 

Miami of Ohio Tri-Delta pledged 49. I have no information on quota or other chapters.

Chi Omega also recieved 49 new members!

Hi,

I dont think Phi Sigma Sigma Theta Chapter is closed at UofI. The chapter doesn't participate in Formal Recruitment, but I don't think its closed...I visited in Spring 07.

Natalia

Hmm...it looks like they had an Informal Recruitment event just last night!

http://www.phisigillini.com/recruitment.html

According to this article, Washington State voted to increase total from 90 to 98 members.

I'm pretty sure that Phi Sigma Sigma isn't at SUNY Stony Brook any more. Their formal recruitment flyers for Spring listed only ASA, SDT, and TPA.

Here is an article about Salisbury's recruitment and how many more women came out this year! http://www.salisbury.com/suflyer/sto...earch=sorority