Actually, I agree with You 100 %!

If I dont know My Brothers, are they My Chapter Brothers because they say so?

So if this is the case, what is the term for Brotherhood/Sisterhood?

Hi, I am a Brother/Sister of Yours, I dont know you?

You can have a group of 200 members, but if they're flakes and uninvolved then all you have is a large group of nothing. I remember back when our chapter had only about 15 members and we still got 3rd in Greek Week before more than doubling in size and winning the next 3 out of 4.

QUALITY always beats QUANTITY.

Reading that paragraph just blew my mind. Since when do actives need to earn respect from the pledges (yes, pledges)?? That's totally backwards, THEY are trying to PLEDGE and EARN the respect of the chapter so they can join. Greek chapters are supposed to be private/selective organizations, you do not owe anybody membership, THEY have to earn it not you.

exactly

There's a big difference in the way NPC groups recruit and the way that NIC/IFC fraternities recruit. When you pledge an NPC you are intended to stay. We want you to stay because we want you as our sister.

When you pledge a fraternity, often you have to earn your right to stay. Fraternities take larger pledge classes than they intend to initiate.


Different system guys, you may disagree but it's like trying to compare NPHC and NPC... apples to oranges. Thus don't be surprised when many NPC members disagree with your points of view...

Basically yea. The ex-boyfriend's fraternity would give out to bids to just about any guy. They would tell guys when pinning was and that if they were interested they needed to come to the house dressed up at such and such a time. If necessary, they would have more than one pinning ceremony. Throughout their associate member process, guys would either not like it and drop out, not have grades, etc. and they would end up initiating a small fraction of the guys that they gave bids to. When I told him I was surprised at their associate member retention rates, he just shrugged it off and said that to them getting a bid wasn't a big deal at all, getting initiated was.

Can you PROVE that it's false, or like my 'rant', is that just your opinion?

for sure...my GLO is selective in a sense they'll give bids to most everyone, but if they don't think you're the type of guy for the group, they'll make sure you don't finish pledging

You're the one stating these things as facts. Saying something like "numbers are down" is not an opinion- it's a statement of supposed fact.

Two very quick comments.

First, Delt numbers are up. That's a fact.

Second, actives should win the respect of pledges just as military officers should win the respect of the enlisted ranks and managers should earn the respect of their workers and direct reports. Life works a lot better that way, and a whole lot more gets accomplished.

I agree with your second point there. Good officers lead through gaining the respect, those who can try to lead through fear. The ones who lead through fear only lead until the followers stop being afraid.

Besides why try to scare, threaten, or harm your sisters or brothers?

Then why give them a bid? Not trying to be difficult, just to figure it out.

Is it just a numbers game? Since, traditionally (for whatever reason), guys drop out of the pledging period and so in order to maintain adequate numbers the org issues more bids than it intends to initiate?

we believe everyone has the potential to make it through pledging, but i made a mistake before when i said "if they don't think you're the type..."

it usually is a couple members that will single the pledge out and make it harder to finish. most of the times the pledge drops, although there are a couple which have finished. in the end when you finish the pledge process, everyone's cool with eachother because of respect to initiates from members just for finishing.

and about the numbers, everyone from my chapter would like to see a 1:1 bid:initiate ratio, but that has only happened a couple times at a couple chapters, none in mine.

My personal preference for bidding is to give out bids to approx 1/4 of the people who we ask to come around or come to events...this usually ends up being 30-60 guys, from which we'll usually initiate 25-35 per fall. That way we automatically weed out the guys we don't to even put a pin on, and then still can eliminate throughout the semester.

??????

So what is Your opinion?

Fact or not?

Yes, it has been stated many times that GLO figures are down overall but not by each GLO.

Maybe it has something to with the economy and money.

Excellent point!:)

I want to be respected, not feared to have a New Associate as a Brother.

Do We all Associate PM's, of course, and I hope it is with the idea that they will become Initiated Members, not statistics.

There are many reasons that PNMs drop out, GPA, Ditsoids, finances, etc.

But, it is not to say throw pins on them and hope they can make it.

If You as an Active cannot work with them and lead, then whose fault is that?:(

Hazing
 

PiKA2001,

There is much truth in your statement. The Fraternal Hazing boom began after World War II when an abundance of veterans were returning back from the war and began utilizing their Montgomery GI Bill. Universities in America prospered as a substantial rise in enrollment was given by the soldiers, sailors, and airmen that helped trigger this boom. They began joining Greek letter organizations. These fellow shipmates, battle buddies, and zoomies began integrating the same type of camaraderie and character development that they were accustomed to in the war. The boom reached a summit around the 60s and 70s. In the 80s and 90s it slowly began to die away. Prior to World War II most GLO rites of passage and indoctrination principles consisted mainly of religious type activities, simple reading, signing or pledge of allegiance ceremonies.

I am a decorated veteran and I am not saying that I condone hazing. On the other hand I am also not denying the value of the lessons, principles, ideals and character development that I learned from my military experience.

Fraternal Regards,

Boodleboy322

Military
 

The number of documented deaths related to standard Basic Training and Officer Candidate School are not significant. The number of deaths from soldiers, sailors, and airmen who have provided service before thy self, defended freedom and democracy, and protected the rights of liberty around the world is far too many.

Regards,

Boodleboy322

I gotta agree on this... we basically said when we gave a bid "we want you to be our sister". While it was easy for the NM to de-pledge it was pretty hard for us to not initate a new member because we had to justify it to our AAB when we had our next formal meeting with them.


As for the comment on scavenger hunts earlier being off limits... we had a big sis scavenger hunt during a week when one of our national consultants was in town. She actually was with us during some of the hunt and when I asked her if she felt like it was okay she said that in her experience most national orgs will be okay with it if there is 1)no cars involved (lessens the chance of an accident) 2) you stay on school property 3) no members of the opposite sex involved 4) no booze.

5) no fun

no kidding.....how about we just sit in a plain white room and hold hands. Or is touching another persin hazing too?

No, its ok so long as the touching makes people feel good about themselves.

it's silly to think that hazing is good for your frat. i mean how does making them do jumping jacks become creative for the development of lifelong brothers?

hey did u guys here about those black guys at that school in tx?

How about going to do some research of what actually happened in TX and on who was involved instead of saying "those black guys in TX". Your ignorance is showing......

That's apparent before you even take a look of the actual content of the post.

Hey did we ever find out what happened with those black guyzs in Texas?

Weak. Come on now, you can do better then that.

Nah, I thought it was funny. One, that the kerry guy made such a dumb statement to begin with, and two, that the soul person acted like it was a personal affront.

Yeah, but it's still not your best material. Step it up.

I can't provide my best. I underachieve

Slacker.

wow some people werent hugged by there moms. im sorry that i didnt do enough research. why are you guys so touchy?

Your third grade teacher would be so ashamed right now.

what makes you think he even made it to third grade?

Did I say it was a personal affront? No, I didn't. I saw someone that needed to be corrected and I corrected them. And yes, you need some better material.

Oh give it a rest. The seriousness of people on this site makes me tired.

i like this guy shinerbock because he isnt rude like you people. it was a simple question that i asked.

He called your comment stupid.

We all don't react well to stupidity.

would you say that is opposite of the tolerance that this board so righteously preaches?