Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460092)

I didn't say desire would wane. In a nutshell, I said enthusiasm and willingness to make sacrifices for membership (rearranging her and her FAMILY'S lives for however long or short a time) might wane due to life circumstances. Don't forget, I'm ONLY talking about non-traditional aged women who are interested in joining a sorority, not all women.

That affiliate thing is not the real thing. Only the real thing is the real thing, LOL. That's like when I had to quit law school due to Lupus, and was dealing with the loss of that dream, people would tell me to become a paralegal. It's NOT the same thing.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1460397)

This depends on how you define "real thing" and IMO if the sisterhood is real, than it's the "real" thing. I just want to clear something up here because I don't want any of our Philo members to be offended by this and I know that some of them are on greekchat. You should really know what you're talking about before you make such a statement.

The Philo Club of Sigma Gamma Rho functions much like a sorority although they are not greek. These women have a long and illustrious history of supporting and assisting Sigma Gamma Rho in serving the community and they believe in our goals and mission. They have their own sisterhood, officers, by-laws, colors, theme, flower, etc. and head community service projects on their own, although they are under the advisement of the Sigma Gamma Rho grad chapters. These women do not have 4 year degrees and are not enrolled in 4 year college programs, but they are successful and accomplished in their own right. They are proud to be members of their sisterhood and just like us, many look forward to being active for a lifetime. These women are a part of our family and we don't see them as not being able to take part in the "real" thing.

A sisterhood such as the Philo Club could be a viable option for SOME non-traditional students. These women have more history and service under their belts than ANY of these new organizations, so please do the research before making misinformed statements.

For more on the Philo Club of Sigma Gamma Rho, go to www.philoclub.org.

Originally Posted by bakudan (Post 1460419)

hi all
i dont have any information about that site.i try to find someone who live in greece.bacause i live in turkey but i tyr to find a job in greece.i graduated japanese language educacation and puclic relations departmants.i know high level japanese ,english and turkish. you can say 'why greece '. i dont know i just wanna live there.i searched japanese company in greece but i couldnt find anything.probably reason is i cant read greek letters.i can translate japanese-english-turkish maybe someone needs me :)i considered lost of greek people knows english.
if someone help me about that i ll be pleasure.

Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460173)

I think that's a very uncaring attitude.

Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460173)

Where did I say that other orgs were inadequate? Where did I mention anything about a marketing technique?

Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460173)

You're making assumptions again. My target audience is not women who wish they could join NPHC orgs but don't want to wait for alumnae chapter. However, if a woman who wanted to join a NPHC org, but didn't for whatever reason, expresses genuine interest in my org, she'll be accepted as long as she meets our membership criteria.

Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460173)

As far as playing the background goes, that's elitist BS. Theta Gamma Pi is what it is, and I've never tried to hype it up as being more than what it is. I saw a need, and I hope this org will help fill the need. End of story. If QGPi becomes a large national sorority, great. If it becomes a small national sorority, great. If it becomes a regional sorority, great. Recognition from other GLOs, while welcome, is not necessary.

Originally Posted by RozRochelle (Post 1460173)

Again, you are making assumptions. My org's goal is not to try to dissuade women from pursuing NPHC membership. I have nothing against NPHC membership. QGPi is simply another available option for those who would like to pursue it. That "knockoff" comment and other rigid, elitist beliefs like it is one of the reasons why non-NPHC orgs are growing so rapidly. Keep it up, you're only helping us.

Originally Posted by bakudan (Post 1460419)

hi all
i dont have any information about that site.i try to find someone who live in greece.bacause i live in turkey but i tyr to find a job in greece.i graduated japanese language educacation and puclic relations departmants.i know high level japanese ,english and turkish. you can say 'why greece '. i dont know i just wanna live there.i searched japanese company in greece but i couldnt find anything.probably reason is i cant read greek letters.i can translate japanese-english-turkish maybe someone needs me :)i considered lost of greek people knows english.
if someone help me about that i ll be pleasure.

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva (Post 1460422)

What I don't understand is how can members of newer orgs. decide NOT to answer questions asked about your orgs.? How else is someone to find out about your org. and what it does? The same way that you feel people are taking your words out of context is the same way you may be taking the responses/questions of others.

Some of our questions are NOT meant to have you "justify" your orgs., but merely to get to the root of their existence. While some orgs. are boasting that they offer all of these great things to your members, no one is willing to EXPLAIN what they are. All I keep reading is that the D9 or "traditional" orgs. don't offer this and don't offer that, yet no one can really tell us what that is. I haven't heard any mention of programs, initiatives, recruitment objectives, retention efforts, etc. As soon as those questions are asked, you either can't answer because you DON'T KNOW or the ever-confusing "I'm not going to 'justify' my org. to you...." BS. WTH?

I just hope that these orgs. REALLY have solid plans instead of the thoughts of "glitz and glamour" that comes with being in a "sorority" or "fraternity."

Originally Posted by RedefinedDiva (Post 1460422)

Some of our questions are NOT meant to have you "justify" your orgs., but merely to get to the root of their existence. While some orgs. are boasting that they offer all of these great things to your members, no one is willing to EXPLAIN what they are. All I keep reading is that the D9 or "traditional" orgs. don't offer this and don't offer that, yet no one can really tell us what that is. I haven't heard any mention of programs, initiatives, recruitment objectives, retention efforts, etc. As soon as those questions are asked, you either can't answer because you DON'T KNOW or the ever-confusing "I'm not going to 'justify' my org. to you...." BS. WTH?

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1460409)

This is all well and good, but being a Philo is merely settling for women who have it in their heart to actually BE an SGRho.

If any of the Philo women go to an SGRho and say "soror," they will be reminded that they aren't a duly initiated member but rather an affiliate member. If any of the women were to list SGRho as one of their organizational memberships, that would be a misrepresentation.

There's no substitute for the real thing.

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1460242)

But you do have a very defined niche and that is all the more reason to keep on perservering. If folx hadn't persued the same notion back in 1906-1922, the NPHC wouldn't exist.

But you are so right. Be about what you bring to the table and not about what someone else doesn't bring.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1460432)

I can't believe that you would even say this. Many Philos are women who do not want to obtain 4 year college degrees. They may hold associate degrees or be successful in many other ways. Many just want to experience an organized sisterhood and support Sigma Gamma Rho. Many Philos are the mothers, sisters, friends, aunts, etc. of SGRho members and some have been active for over 30 years or more. Let's not offend them please. They have all they want and need in the Philo Club or they would not stay active.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1460444)

If my comments don't pertain to some of them, they will have no reason to jump off of a bridge. Those who my comments pertain to, will be offended and perhaps need to make the appropriate changes like going to college.

If they want to be an SGRho, they will feel like they are getting half of the puzzle even if they are happy with the Philo sisterhood. If they don't want to be an SGRho, they will be happy with being a Philo and desire to go no further. I'm sure you're not a mind reader or know every one of them. So you really don't have to present yourself as the Philo feelings and intentions representative. ;)

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1460451)

This was uncalled for. I can present myself in any way I choose, speak on anything I choose, and defend anything I choose.

Thanks for your comments though.