I went to one of the most prestigous public high schools in the country, Ann Arbor Pioneer, and frankly in the four years there i was hazed every one of those years. Yes as a senior i was hazed only for the fact that we hazed each other on equal grounds. My beatings and embarassments ranged from the nationally recognized band program to the nationally ranked swim team, and the theatre group as well. To be blunt, a staple gun to the chest hurts like hell.

There are no positives in hazing, all it does is start a cycle which is almost impossible to get out of and the longer you're stuck there the worse the hazing gets. Im my last episode where hazing occured, i'll admit i was the one doing it, i did not harm the boys in any physical way. I literally destroyed them mentally. It only lasted two hours but in that two hours of silence and cold i watched them age years. I repented for what i did to them and now vowed to never do it again.

If you think hazing is positive, then you've most likely never experianced the evil that it can truly become. I have seen worse than what i have done. I personally have washed the blood from my friends shirt as he went through is LPhiE pledging. Hazing is wrong, do not do it, PERIOD.

It all depends on what you do and don't define as hazing.

AL -- to be fair, I've never heard of a greek organization going to such extremes as far as hazing. I don't know of any pledges that would have stuck around after a staplegun in the chest.

I'm not saying that college GLO's don't go to such measures, but if they have, I sure as heck haven't heard about it.

the staple gun was in high school.

Sorry about the confusion

Thats bullying not hazing. Hazing is one semester, then in for life.

Research has shown and others have said as much in this post that hazing does not promote any bond of sisterhood or brotherhood. All it does is foster a sense of division and retaliation upon those members who were hazed on subsequent new members, -it destroys an organization finacially in lawsuits, it destroys the organization emotionally -in terms of not promoting unity within the organization -and it does nothing to promote Greek life in the eyes of the public. Most have the perception that we don't do much anyway- and a hazing case just adds to another negative perception about Greek letter organizations!:(

i cant speak for every one but pledge ship and hazing for me were the funnest time i would never want to do again. scavenger hunts, push up, finding you way back to the house , 3 am phone call. yeah at times it sucked but i cant say i would have wanted it any other way cause it was alot of fun at the same time.

Actually, most lawsuits have been alcohol related. When hazing and alcohol are combined, you're looking for trouble. But as far as 'dry hazing events' go, I can't really think of too many that have caused claims against our organizations (at least in the years I've been reading this board).

It seems to me that alcohol is a much larger liability than hazing is unless it's coupled with hazing.

Just for the sake of argument, especially for those who did go through more 'traditional' houses, was alcohol something that was present in your pledge program?

(Please, don't admit to anything if you have letters in your name/signature, and don't identify your chapter. The last thing you want to do is to get in trouble).

Oops, I responded to this in the thread in Greek Life about crazy hazing stories. I read both threads right in a row and got them mixed up.. my bad! Here is what I said:

ktsnake: In regards to your comments about alcohol and hazing combined, don't forget about the people who died of water intoxication or who suffered from extreme exertion. Back in my day (early to mid 80's), most hazing I saw occur was combined with alcohol. In some cases, groups continued the same behavior but substituted water, thinking that it couldn't hurt to drink tons of water

No matter what it is, alchohol or Water, beating with a paddle, if it is Harmful, it should not take a Genius to figure it out.:rolleyes:

I never understand the Logic used by some to build UNITY!

I don't think paddling is that big of a deal. When I got paddled I was always given the chance to paddle back.

And WSB II, I agree, pledgeship and hazing was the most fun time I would never want to do again.

Ask People who got their asses paddled and ended up in the hospital:rolleyes:

That is really Smart!:mad:

Ignoranace is in the eye of The Beholder!:(

Agreed. I've always said that "Pledging was the most fun I never want to do again."

I am not being ignorant. I didn't end up in the hospital, nor has anyone that I know. Sure, it happens...but I wasn't in a situation that was taken too far.

Yes, but just because You and some others didnt, means it didnt happen!:mad: It has happened to many times! Is This COOL?

So, How Ignorant is being Ignorant?

What if You had ended up in the Hospital, would You and YOUr ILK be so flipint?:confused: :rolleyes: