Apocrypha? In the Catholic Bible :rolleyes: I think someone's been misleading you a we bit... But seriosuly I wish the Apocrypha was included... it'd surely add some spice to religion class - although I'm not sure the trade off of having another 28+ books is worth it... but as far as I know there is little to no difference between the major Bibles other than translation (and creative editting).

Looking at the older Latin texts, trying to find Replenish, I couldn't find a reference to it... so maybe it was added in during the KJV as a nod to Mercantalist beliefs?


Oh in case you are interested in Apocrypha... this website has a nice catalog of them:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ity/apocrypha/

I'm not sure exactly what your point is here. Again, not trying to be confrontational, but what are you trying to show me? I know what the apocrypha is, and I'm sorry, perhaps it was a wee bit misleading to say "most." However the first place I ever HEARD about the apocrypha was in religion class at the Catholic high school I went to. All of the bibles they used contained the apocrypha. Most Catholic bibles I have ever looked at contain the apocrypha. What exactly are you saying? Below is a link to the New American Bible online. That is a version commonly used by Catholics. This site is the United States Council of Catholic Bishops. The books listed contain the apocrypha. They are neatly tucked away in the OT, not seperated. Tobit, Maccabees, Sirach, Baruch, etc. When I clicked on the link to Sirach this was part of the introduction: "Though not included in the Hebrew Bible after the first century A.D., nor accepted by Protestants, the Book of Sirach has always been recognized by the Catholic Church as divinely inspired and canonical. The Foreword, though not inspired, is placed in the Bible because of its antiquity and importance." Here is the link:

New American Bible

ETA: Hey Cooper, what's the weather like in Canada? I'm moving there in a month.

To my understanding, many Catholics (if not all) have a slightly different Bible. For example, what Protestants know as Psalm 23 "The Lord's my Shepherd....." is known as Psalm 22 for (many) Catholics. That's pretty much all I know about differences as I left Catholic school too early to study the Bible in depth.

Where in Canada are you moving to? It was a little on the cool side in southern/central Ontario for the past few days, but temperatures are getting warmer. We're going to have summer-like weather soon. :)

I'm moving to Montreal! I'm so excited! It's a long stinking way from home, but it'll be a great experience. HAHA you are going to love this, I'm actually going up there to do some missionary-type work. There is a missionary in Montreal that our church supports. I am going to help their church start a private school (I'm a teacher). As I mentioned earlier, it's probably a good thing for me to be getting out of the public school system! How far away from Montreal is Ontario?

Hey valkyrie - This is the question. It is what separates sects, denominations, etc. There are those who believe strictly in the God of the Bible...even among these people, arguments over theology exist but, in essence, the person of God is the same.

For those who brings outside texts (and other ideas) to their reading of the Bible, or do not follow the Bible consistently, God is a completely different person.

As for your last question, I would say God is the cause of what non-believers say is "that just happened." But, I wouldn't say that when things just happen, I call it God.

Here's the problem I see. Let's say we're all together in a black-walled room. Someone comes in and starts talking to everyone. Some people completely ignore the person and refuse to hear anything that he (or those who listen to him) says. They even put sunglasses on so it's even harder to see him.

The divide becomes greater and greater. Then the person - the one who came in and started talking to people - flips on a light switch and all the people who were in conversation with him see that the room is in fact red-walled; they just thought it was black-walled because the light was low. These people are thrilled and realize what was going on all along.

But the people with the sunglasses on don't see much change (they're aware that the other people are a lot more agitated but don't know why).

No matter how much the person tries to talk to the people with sunglasses, they just get more and more irritated because they don't see anything. It gets worse when the other people in the room - the ones who don't have sunglasses on - run around telling them all about the red room and a door they've found. The people with sunglasses begin to believe that the others have lost their minds.

Sometimes, someone gets...I don't know...a piece of cake. The people without the sunglasses had watched as the person gave the piece of cake to whomever. But, the people with the sunglasses didn't see the person at all and wonder where the cake came from.

hijack

Ontario is a province. To get right to the border, it may only take you about an hour.

Montreal to Ottawa is about 3 hours and Montreal to Toronto is about 7 hours.

/hijack

That's right, I knew that!! I wasn't thinking. I will actually be in Ottawa in July so I'm looking forward to seeing different parts of the country!

Going to the "City of Churches" (sorry, old nickname) for missionary work?

Montreal to Quebec City or Ottawa are nice passable day (if you leave early enough) or weekend trips... both are a blast during the summer. If your in Ottawa during July, look into the Government's Experimental Farm across the canal from Carleton - should be Tulip Festival; the Market's always busy... and of course check out the Changing of the Guard and the Governor General's House (I used to be one of the guys in the red jacket and black fur hat ;) ) - if you go to the GG's take the time to wander the grounds and toru the house - don't just stop at the gate and take pictures of the Guards or the PM's house across the street. Quebec City during the summer is also great - stick to the Old City and you'll feel like your in Northern France - with the language, architecture, art & antique chops, cafes, and relaxed attitude.

One thing to get used to in Canada is that everyone discusses distance in time not actual distance - driving, flight, train, walking, etc. (as evidenced by Lady Pi Phi's answer)

Finally come dressed for the heat - the summer is hot up here too... and can be very humid.

Umm, the Tulip Festival's in May. Going on right now, actually.

www.tulipfestival.ca

Thanks for the advice!! I've heard it's just beautiful and I can not wait to see the sights and especially all the old cathedrals. I don't know if you can really call what I will be doing missionary work. Our church supports a missionary in Montreal and I will be helping his church start a private school. So, not really evangelical type work....but it should be great.

I read your post, and realized I needed to do a little studying on how to answer your question properly. I came across this website that I personally found interesting.

http://www.carm.org/seek/God.htm

The question "Who is God?" is a good question. It is better than asking "What is God?" This is because God exists, created us, loves us, is concerned for our being, desires to provide for us, and sent the Son to redeem us. If we were to ask "What is God?" we might be tempted to say that God is the infinite being, the creator, a presence, or something like that. In some respect, this would be true. But the first question brings us closer to understanding more of who God really is in His character and His love for us as revealed in the Bible.

The Bible teaches us that in all existence, from all eternity, there has been and always will be only one God. God was never created, is completely loving, completely just, completely holy, completely merciful, and that He desires the best for us. God is holy and He can have nothing to do with sin as the Bible says, "His eyes are too pure to look upon evil," (Hab. 1:13). This does not mean that God cannot see what someone does that is wrong. It is a way of describing how holy God is. God cannot sin. He is perfect.

In Christianity, God is a Trinity. This means that God is three persons, not three gods. Technically, the doctrine of the Trinity states that in the one God is the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person is the other; yet there are not three gods but one. This is similar in analogy to the nature of time. Time is past, present, and future. The past is not the same as the present, which is not the same as the future. But, there are not three times. There is only one thing called time.
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The website goes on further, but, I didn't want to go on and on.

Edited for spacing. Also, I can't spell.

Just a question?

Who really gives a shit?

OMG, all of the do rightousness is killing me.:p

We are living, we do certain things that Animals cant. But Animals still screw and reproduce.:rolleyes:

I dont peck some women I Would like to as Birds!;) Oh, would we lay eggs?

I wanted to point out that this is a conservative position on God that is held by those (like me) who model themselves after the 1st century church. My response to valkyrie goes into a little more with the question.

BTW - I have much love for CARM!!!

Questions are being asked and answered in here. Do you have a question?

I never saw carm.org before - def going to bookmark that for some reading! Thanks, Conniebama!!!!