Which schools would you consider similar? I'm not coming up with, off the top of my head, any other Big 10's with deferred rush. That seems like a confounding factor, though I've never looked at the numbers.

Northwestern
Ohio State

ETA: Maryland

I meant size wise/a similar stature in whatever state. I wasn't really factoring in the timing of rush.

Yeah, I just wonder if deferred is a confounding factor. I would hypothesize that deferred recruitments have better retention overall, but I don't know. Also, housing considerations, which we've talked about here before.

I understand your point; that the chapters at IU have no incentive to change, I just don't know that we can take it as far as to say, "they are doing well BECAUSE they don't use RFM." I think it's more like, "they are doing well EVEN THOUGH they don't use RFM."

Indiana DOES use RFM. They have used it for around 15 years now. It's quota/total that they don't use.

Right, sorry, that's what I meant.

Can we please use the correct terminology of "PNMs" instead of (uggggh) "recruits"? It's not the military or a cult.

The NPC Manual of Information (aka The Green Book). If you are a member of an NPC group, you can get it thru your national HQ. Also, your national org should have some sort of recruitment handbook/style guide/etcc. If you are not an NPC member, why are you posting this sort of thing?

What does no shows mean? At what point did they not show?

Did she d & f (delete & flounce) because I corrected her? I'm not usually pickypants about terms, but that particular usage is just nails on a chalkboard to me.

I did a search for her and it seems she was a mom with a daughter going thru at IU last year...though I didn't read all her posts...

She also posted quota and matched numbers for every group in the other IU thread, but that post also seems to be gone. I thought it was interesting information, though if it was that readily available was surprised no one else hadn't already posted it.

According to her list there were only 5 groups that matched less than 50 members, and 2 of those were at 48 or 49. That definitely accounts for the increased number of bids and decrease in girls who went to Pref and wound up bidless. (saving editorial comment on that for another day...)

Good for IU and the chapters. We aren't going to get our wish of quota/total in the next few years, but incremental increasing of their definition of quota won't have all the problems that they think it will. These girls in the 50 member pledge classes will not know any different than having 50 girls in their pledge class. Interestingly there were a lot of chapters that had exactly that number, including some who historically take much less, so it does appear that Panhellenic put that suggestion out and many took it.

Next year if they go to 53-55 the sun will still come up and those girls will know no different either. Increasing by even 3-5 a year can go a long way when there are that many organizations on campus.

It may take 5 years, but how long have we been waiting? This is the most promising sign that I have seen.

Ok ok ok

You know, I'm really uncomfortable with the information that stbemtpynest posted, simply because I suspect she obtained the information from her daughter and it wasn't her information to share. And I don't know if Indiana does make that information public. The fact that she (stb) went and deleted posts suggests that my suspicion is correct.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (specifically calling on AZ-Alpha Xi here) but that sort of information (at ARIZONA) is not shared publicly.

ETA: maybe I'm wrong, that's okay - I'm still uncomfortable.

I did read all her posts from when her daughter went through and accepted a bid from an unhoused chapter. I hope that the mother's blabbermouth won't harm the daughter, because that just isn't fair to the daughter IMO. The mother needs to step away from the keyboard when it comes to Indiana recruitment.

One more thing - my autocorrect keeps fighting me on "emtpy" and I can't even pronounce it.

AZTheta, I completely agree.

I'm guessing that if the different quotas of the different groups really were easily obtainable and for public consumption, they would be all over grreek rrank and that sorority parents thread during recruitment.