Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor (Post 2165566)

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor (Post 2165566)

But I have heard of Rho Chi's telling girls that they have to list all the chapters they visited or they will get kicked out of the system which is essentially "forcing" them to list a chapter they may have zero interest in. In fact, when my niece was a Rho Chi at the University of Arizona that is what they told her to say to the PNM's. I told her that was absolutely not true. You can list one, two or three Chapters (not sure anyone does a 4 pref system) I don't think there is a system out there that kicks you our if you don't take full advantage of your options is there?

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2165585)

No there isn't a system that does that, but when a PNM doesn't list all chapters, she is decreasing her chances of receiving a bid even at schools that don't guarantee placement. The PNM is essentially kicking herself out of the system even though she'd rather OMG DIE than accept a bid from her third choice. But they don't want to believe those strong chapters really didn't want them as much as they wanted the chapter.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2165564)

Almost. Putting down 2 out of 3 chapters carries the same penalty as putting down a single chapter: you are no longer guaranteed a placement, or, more formally, you are not eligible to be a quota addition if you don't match. You may still get a placement, if you are high enough on a bid list, but if you are not high enough, you will go without a bid. That much is correct.

What is less clear is what happens if you list all three and aren't high enough on ANY of the bid lists to get a bid. In that case, you could end up in any one of the three chapters, depending on how quota additions are placed (and I don't know the rules at every school; it seems there is no uniform method).

This causes all sorts of confusion, because Rho Gams tell women that putting down your third choice gives you a better shot at getting a bid to your first or second choice, which may be technically true (as you can be placed in one of them as a quota addition, whereas you can't if you don't list all three), but it's a bad, bad, bad thing for a Rho Gam to say, because the chances of it happening are extremely small, as all three chapters would have to take quota without you matching somewhere. The far, far, far more likely outcome is that you'd match to your third-choice chapter, because the chapter PNM's dislike so much they won't even consider it is usually the chapter that also struggles to fill quota.

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp (Post 2165590)

The one thing I'd say in the PNMs' defense is that those chapters have worked very, very hard to appeal to the PNM and appear deeply interested in her. That's what effective recruiting is all about, whether we're talking about employers, universities, etc.

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp (Post 2165590)

The one thing I'd say in the PNMs' defense is that those chapters have worked very, very hard to appeal to the PNM and appear deeply interested in her. That's what effective recruiting is all about, whether we're talking about employers, universities, etc.

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2165612)

True. But I think that we all know that even if the weak chapter had a huge breakthrough and was able to use the same techniques, PNMs would view them as desperate since they've been guzzling the tent talk koolaid.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2165620)

Plenty of weak chapters do it, and we see women on here talk say things like "they wanted me so bad, it was creepy". It's like when an unattractive guy hits on you.