having improper grammar =/= not being able to communicate at all

only if the majority is committing injustice against the minority. not if the minority is acting illegally.

The law protects the rights of people to be here illegally, soak up our public resources and not pay income taxes? Who knew!

As far as the English thing, it's very simple--if you are going to immigrate to a country, you learn the prevalent language or you will justly face the consequences of your actions. Some folks seem to think that it's our government's job to protect us and those who happen to be here illegally from the consequences of their own stupidity. Find that in the Constitution.

So you will be punished for not learning a language with no legal standing at all?

What you mean by punishment? IMHO If someone can't get a job in the U.S. because they can't speak English, oh well.

See that I can understand depending on the job. If it is a job that requires you to communicate with English speakers, then yes. But the idea of using the fact that somebody doesn't speak English as probable cause that they might be illegal is BS to me.

Not speaking English alone wouldn't hold up as PC, but it could be used in conjunction with other things that lead up to PC.

Such as?

Other observations or evidence seen by the officer that gives him probable cause to believe the person is or has committed a crime.

I myself can't list direct examples because it's not that simple or clear-cut, we wouldn't need a court system if it was. You have to look at the totality of the circumstances of each arrest.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/honor_societies.png

Our point is that the things that some people might consider probable cause would in fact be motivated by racist and classist biases. Therefore making them poor policing methods and violating civil (and human) rights of individuals regardless of their immigration status.

No? How many times has a troll or some other member posted something here that was written so horribly that it was unreadable? That sounds like an inability to communicate to me.

Follow the thread please. Forcing the minority to speak English when it is NOT the official language of this country may sound "right" to the majority but is not what a democracy is all about.

THIS!! It was one thing if English was the official language and required to now. Then I could see using it as a possible probable cause for illegal status.

No one is forcing anything. Just about anything except race can be an aspect of probable cause. In your opinion, this sort of thing might violate someone's civil rights, but what civil rights are you talking about? There is no right to not have the fact that you don't speak English, have ID, (pick your probable cause) not give an officer of the law the right to look into whether you're breaking the law.

no, they'll be investigating for "not learning" the language, and punished for being an illegal immigrant.