Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1755153)

Seid, dude, why do you pull out "proof points" that are demonstrably false? You clearly have the Internet, you could check the facts yourself, man, and it would ease board frustration like angry sex or yoga or something.

For example, even if we say it's cool to go with "lynched" with regard to Saddam Hussein (terrible choice of words, by the way), and you want to dispute the stated WMD rationale for entering Iraq, his death was purely a result of his own actions, as he is the most recent person on Earth to use chemical and biological weapons on humans (unarmed ones at that).

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755147)

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

Originally Posted by KappaKittyCat (Post 1755068)

The shoe-thrower was beaten in custody. Link is to BBC news.

Nice democracy we're building over there.

Originally Posted by ufpika (Post 1755157)

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755155)

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755155)

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755155)

I don't want to discuss that here.

Originally Posted by ufpika (Post 1755157)

Hahahahahaha I put one small thing about how I don't agree with Obama, yet I will support him because he is our President and I am Obama bashing. I was trying to show that I disagree with the man on personal and political issues, so that is no reason to bash him like you are bashing Bush.

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

Did you only read the last paragraph of what I said, or do you just having nothing to say about the rest because you can't respond to clear thinking and reason?

Have a good day

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1755160)

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.



No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.



You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1755164)

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755161)

I just didn't bother to read your post.
And don't really give a shit about what you have to say.

Anything else you would like to add?

Are you 'showing' me the error of my ways or sum'n?

Keep moving.

Originally Posted by ufpika (Post 1755168)

If you don't give a shit about what I say, then why are you replying to me. Your 3rd grade games of "I dont care what you say" are stupid.

You got proven wrong and then moved on to the next subject, only to get shown that you are wrong again. I can do this all day... you make me laugh

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755147)

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1755170)

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html