Local Traditions & Symbols

[ApplePiePhi]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want to be nicknamed "the apple pies" on campus. I don't find that very flattering, classy, or appropriate.

If you were found on our campus, you may think about it a bit differently. It's played up by us (ex. apple-pie bake a thons being planned) and we welcome that name rather than "Animals On Parade", as an example, although I'm sure there are many other nasty ones out there as well. It's cute, as it represents us, who also happen to be one of the few classy sororities in the city.
So I'm pretty sure it's just you.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ApplePiePhi

It's cute, as it represents us, who also happen to be one of the few classy sororities in the city.

Saying how classy you are and that you are in one of the "few" classy sororities in the city = you failing at classy. It is also not classy to mention, as you have in at least one other thread, what sorority you or some of your founders were members of (and I guess quit) and then throw in remarks like this:

Originally Posted by ApplePiePhi

3 of 6 founding mothers (including myself) split off from one of two international sororities after being discontented with how things were going.

Same goes with saying you'd rather be Apple Pies than "Animals on Parade."

And while I'm making a list of things in your posts that negate any classiness, breaking your vows of loyalty to your original sorority is definitely not classy.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Saying how classy you are and that you are in one of the "few" classy sororities in the city = you failing at classy. It is also not classy to mention, as you have in at least one other thread, what sorority you or some of your founders were members of (and I guess quit) and then throw in remarks like this:
Same goes with saying you'd rather be Apple Pies than "Animals on Parade."

And while I'm making a list of things in your posts that negate any classiness, breaking your vows of loyalty to your original sorority is definitely not classy.

Wait I'm confused. In one post she says that 3 of them left a certain organization, then she says they left one of two organizations.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Wait I'm confused. In one post she says that 3 of them left a certain organization, then she says they left one of two organizations.

Putting her two posts together, I took her to mean that the sorority she named, of which she and two other founders were members, is one of two international sororities on her campus.

[LucyKKG]

Maybe she doesn't get why it can be perceived as icky. Seen "American Pie"??

[33girl]

In some people's minds, Pie = Twat.

Just to clear that up for all because I don't feel like beating around the bush.

Oh heck, there's another one.

[lovespink88]

LOL okay, I'm dumb. I was reading comments, and I was like, "Okay, I can understand it not being 'flattering', or 'classy', but 'not appropriate'? That's a little harsh!"

Then I saw LucyKKG and 33girls posts...

[ApplePiePhi]

When it comes to reputation and how we act within social situations and within our lives, we are very classy when compared to many other sororities, fraternities, and other non greeks. By stating this, I don't feel like I would be "failing" at all. It's easy to tell who's an "apple pie" at a party and who isn't.

and as for "Animals on Parade", I could go on to say "Phi Piggy Piggy", "A-Open Thighs", "Stigma Pi" or mention any of the ones listed here http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...?t=1566&page=4

Point being, I take no offense at all at being called the Apple Pies, especially as it's not done in a derogatory way as stated above in the other posts, (and much better than what could probably be given when you look at other nicknames). Don't know if it's a state thing, but if so I guess we're just a bit cleaner, or "virgin" thinking in Canada?

And No, I have not seen American Pie, nor do I really wish to see it either.

And as for leaving my original sorority - I still respect the values that the Ritual has taught me, and believe me, deciding to leave an organization that I put a certain amount of money and time into was definitely one of the hardest ones I had to make. But due to how the chapter was ran, how much money it cost to be apart of something that certainly was not a sisterhood for myself, and not what I got into a sorority for, it was best for me to leave than to stay and go crazy. And then creating something new and wonderful out of a bad situation turned me into a much stronger person. Whether that is a "classy" decision or not - frankly I don't care about the opinions on that, but I know it was the right decision for me.
It also doesn't effect our nickname

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ApplePiePhi

When it comes to reputation and how we act within social situations and within our lives, we are very classy when compared to many other sororities, fraternities, and other non greeks. By stating this, I don't feel like I would be "failing" at all. It's easy to tell who's an "apple pie" at a party and who isn't.

Those who declare themselves to be classy rarely are, because . . . well . . . it just isn't classy to say you're classy.

and as for "Animals on Parade", I could go on to say "Phi Piggy Piggy", "A-Open Thighs", "Stigma Pi" or mention any of the ones listed here http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...?t=1566&page=4

Of course you could go on. We all could. I just found it interesting that you decided to use as an example of a demeaning nickname one for the sorority you quit.

And as for leaving my original sorority - I still respect the values that the Ritual has taught me, and believe me, deciding to leave an organization that I put a certain amount of money and time into was definitely one of the hardest ones I had to make. But due to how the chapter was ran, how much money it cost to be apart of something that certainly was not a sisterhood for myself, and not what I got into a sorority for, it was best for me to leave than to stay and go crazy. And then creating something new and wonderful out of a bad situation turned me into a much stronger person.

Fine. But why advertise that 3 of the founders of your new sorority were former AOIIs who quit because they didn't like the way things were run? You really don't see how that might make you look bad? (Especially when you're going to say that other chapters, including apparently AOII, aren't as "classy" as you. )

[Psi U MC Vito]

See I never understood those who left an org because they didn't like the way things were run. If you have an issue, talk to the eboard, or God forbid, RUN FOR OFFICE!

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

See I never understood those who left an org because they didn't like the way things were run. If you have an issue, talk to the eboard, or God forbid, RUN FOR OFFICE!

Sometimes it's further up than your chapter. And this being Canada, I'm guessing they have issues that the US might not understand.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Sometimes it's further up than your chapter.

True. But what she said was:

Originally Posted by ApplePiePhi

But due to how the chapter was ran, how much money it cost to be apart of something that certainly was not a sisterhood for myself, and not what I got into a sorority for, it was best for me to leave than to stay and go crazy.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Sometimes it's further up than your chapter. And this being Canada, I'm guessing they have issues that the US might not understand.

I've actually PM'd her. She and her Alpha Pi Phi sisters really did just have issues with the running of the chapter that couldn't be rectified. It had nothing to do with AOII as an organization, and she specifically told me that they all still respected and loved AOII. I believe that what she told me is true and that chapter politics can at times be insurmountable for some people. We'll never know what exactly happened, but I counseled her to make the most of her new organization without the mention of where the founders may have started. I don't think she meant any harm with her earlier posts, but hadn't thought through how others might read into them.

[ApplePiePhi]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I've actually PM'd her. She and her Alpha Pi Phi sisters really did just have issues with the running of the chapter that couldn't be rectified. It had nothing to do with AOII as an organization, and she specifically told me that they all still respected and loved AOII. I believe that what she told me is true and that chapter politics can at times be insurmountable for some people. We'll never know what exactly happened, but I counseled her to make the most of her new organization without the mention of where the founders may have started. I don't think she meant any harm with her earlier posts, but hadn't thought through how others might read into them.

This is true - I did not mean any harm, this all started out by saying how being called "apple pies" wasn't classy - my argument was against that as it's a nickname that we welcome whole heartedly as it's not done in a derogetory way, as we're known on campus to be very classy with how each individual girl leads their lives. And just because I had mentioned before because it was brought up by someone who knew the history of another local at Carleton that had split off from AOII (and asked if we too came from the same circumstances, which I will not deny when asked, which included when we are asked about it from our pledges but not much detail at all is given) does not mean that in turn on this particular board did I denounce them and how "classy" they are - I didn't involve any particular organization, only that we happen to be one of the few (as I believe, although I am biased but being known for being "chill" girls instead of ones (as well as fraternity boys or GDIs) that make a terrible show at any social outing). I'll be the first one to say that there are a few organizations on our campus that are "classy" by default just because they go to none of these events at all - it's not the point of this post or thread however, and to connect things I've said throughout other posts and try to relate them to each other is just another way of trying to put words in my mouth, which is unappreciated.

As for what had happened in my prior organization, it's something that if I did divulge on these boreds I would probably have many people upset about "airing my dirty laundry", which I already know better not to do. Fact is that regardless of what I did to try to make things better within the chapter, it did not go that way, and our advisors and HQ was not planning on lifting a finger to help the situation. All that was done to try to still make it a sisterhood for myself along with the other 2 was the most we could do, we even tried to become alum, but the end of it being that girls can be very nasty, and I'm not willing to pay the amount of money I did to be tied to the majority of them and have to put up with things for another 2 years. I'm sure you would find the same story with the other girls that have left the organization previously. i would only hope with their new initiated classes that things are now different for them and that it evolves into a better ran chapter, because it's the hardest thing to denounce something you once loved, and I would hope our situation wouldn't happen to anyone else. I do have to say it's helped us with many aspects of APP, where we've learned what to do right, what not to do, and how to choose our girls. like AOII_Angel stated, I loved AOII, and I still respect the values their Ritual holds - one that I haven't divulged the secrets of, and which we kept far away from in the creation of our own Ritual. But the politics and cruelness of that particular chapter put myself and others over the edge. It's something no one can judge unless you knew all the details of what had happened - even some of that chapter didn't really know the actual reasons behind us leaving, as the advisors didn't bother on telling them the truth. But what's done is done.

[Xidelt]

Originally Posted by ApplePiePhi

This is true - I did not mean any harm, this all started out by saying how being called "apple pies" wasn't classy - my argument was against that as it's a nickname that we welcome whole heartedly as it's not done in a derogetory way, as we're known on campus to be very classy with how each individual girl leads their lives. And just because I had mentioned before because it was brought up by someone who knew the history of another local at Carleton that had split off from AOII (and asked if we too came from the same circumstances, which I will not deny when asked, which included when we are asked about it from our pledges but not much detail at all is given) does not mean that in turn on this particular board did I denounce them and how "classy" they are - I didn't involve any particular organization, only that we happen to be one of the few (as I believe, although I am biased but being known for being "chill" girls instead of ones (as well as fraternity boys or GDIs) that make a terrible show at any social outing). I'll be the first one to say that there are a few organizations on our campus that are "classy" by default just because they go to none of these events at all - it's not the point of this post or thread however, and to connect things I've said throughout other posts and try to relate them to each other is just another way of trying to put words in my mouth, which is unappreciated.

As for what had happened in my prior organization, it's something that if I did divulge on these boreds I would probably have many people upset about "airing my dirty laundry", which I already know better not to do. Fact is that regardless of what I did to try to make things better within the chapter, it did not go that way, and our advisors and HQ was not planning on lifting a finger to help the situation. All that was done to try to still make it a sisterhood for myself along with the other 2 was the most we could do, we even tried to become alum, but the end of it being that girls can be very nasty, and I'm not willing to pay the amount of money I did to be tied to the majority of them and have to put up with things for another 2 years. I'm sure you would find the same story with the other girls that have left the organization previously. i would only hope with their new initiated classes that things are now different for them and that it evolves into a better ran chapter, because it's the hardest thing to denounce something you once loved, and I would hope our situation wouldn't happen to anyone else. I do have to say it's helped us with many aspects of APP, where we've learned what to do right, what not to do, and how to choose our girls. like AOII_Angel stated, I loved AOII, and I still respect the values their Ritual holds - one that I haven't divulged the secrets of, and which we kept far away from in the creation of our own Ritual. But the politics and cruelness of that particular chapter put myself and others over the edge. It's something no one can judge unless you knew all the details of what had happened - even some of that chapter didn't really know the actual reasons behind us leaving, as the advisors didn't bother on telling them the truth. But what's done is done.

QFP