UI Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority made a racist comment on Instagram ?

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Let's not confuse aggression with microaggression. I very much doubt the [former?] sorority member woke up that day with the intent of publishing something on her Instagram which would prompt an apology from her national office.

I do not understand this need to completely destroy a kid for making a dumb joke--even if the joke hurts some folks' feelings.

These kids are 18-19 years old. Their brains aren't fully developed yet. I would hope that the community practice would be to educate these kids rather than wishing death, pain, and misery upon them. In your lane, maybe you knew that joking about looking like Klansmen was not okay. You don't know where she comes from, and at that young an age, she's not fully responsible for what she thinks and says yet.

I'm not saying an 18/19 YO lacks agency, but I am saying they are very new to exercising it and we ought to give them a mulligan or two.

No, Kevin, aggression. You as a white male don't get to define the way the oppressed feel about an action. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.

It's up to us to provide organizations where our members feel safe, protected and respected. We don't exist to change the racist inclinations young adults bring with them to college. Those have been years in the making - and whether subtle or overt - there is no room for that behavior in our organizations.

Where do you draw the line? SAEs singing "there will never be a n* SAE"? Banana eating Snap Chats comparing races with monkeys? Hanging a noose around the neck of a statue of a notable African American? Drunken Finstas declaring how you don't care about the plights of certain groups of people? Naming your team a racial pejorative? They're all kids. Their brains aren't fully formed. Let's give them a pass while telling them how naughty they are. That will make the rest of our members feel safe.

But boys will be boys, right?

[anongreek]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

No, Kevin, aggression. You as a white male don't get to define the way the oppressed feel about an action. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.

It's up to us to provide organizations where our members feel safe, protected and respected. We don't exist to change the racist inclinations young adults bring with them to college. Those have been years in the making - and whether subtle or overt - there is no room for that behavior in our organizations.

Where do you draw the line? SAEs singing "there will never be a n* SAE"? Banana eating Snap Chats comparing races with monkeys? Hanging a noose around the neck of a statue of a notable African American? Drunken Finstas declaring how you don't care about the plights of certain groups of people? Naming your team a racial pejorative? They're all kids. Their brains aren't fully formed. Let's give them a pass while telling them how naughty they are. That will make the rest of our members feel safe.

But boys will be boys, right?

We can all skip church on Sunday because SororitySock just delivered a full on sermon! Amen, HALLELUJAH. YES! PREACH.

[zTaalum]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

No, Kevin, aggression. You as a white male don't get to define the way the oppressed feel about an action. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.

It's up to us to provide organizations where our members feel safe, protected and respected. We don't exist to change the racist inclinations young adults bring with them to college. Those have been years in the making - and whether subtle or overt - there is no room for that behavior in our organizations.

Where do you draw the line? SAEs singing "there will never be a n* SAE"? Banana eating Snap Chats comparing races with monkeys? Hanging a noose around the neck of a statue of a notable African American? Drunken Finstas declaring how you don't care about the plights of certain groups of people? Naming your team a racial pejorative? They're all kids. Their brains aren't fully formed. Let's give them a pass while telling them how naughty they are. That will make the rest of our members feel safe.

But boys will be boys, right?

Kevin you should have known that being a white male means you are not allowed to have an opinion on anything ever unless you want to be crucified
for simply being a white male.


The KKG's comment was a really bad joke and in this climate she should have known better. I don't feel she was being blatantly racist but blatantly stupid.

While we are calling out all things KKK let's not forget that there was a card carrying member who was an elected senator for many years and when he died was eulogized by several prominent politicians (one who was a former POTUS and one who ran for POTUS from his party). I will give you a heads up he and they weren't registered republicans. I hope some of you were
as equally outraged by that as well as this comment.



Hopefully this woman learns her lesson and that KKG nationally or this particular chapter are not harmed in terms of numbers from this really dumb mistake.


By the way I am glad some of you were so mature and so woke in your early college years that you never made dumb decisions that you would regret!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

No, Kevin, aggression. You as a white male don't get to define the way the oppressed feel about an action. You have no idea what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of behavior.

Ah. So white males don't get to have opinions? Or we are not allowed to make a distinction between aggression and microaggression when the distinction is a dictionary issue? And there you have my actual name, my real badge number, while you tut tut folks hiding behind a name like sororitysock.

It's up to us to provide organizations where our members feel safe, protected and respected. We don't exist to change the racist inclinations young adults bring with them to college. Those have been years in the making - and whether subtle or overt - there is no room for that behavior in our organizations.

It's not for you to tell any organization what it is supposed to do. I'm not really comfortable with you saying "we" when there's no verification you're even a member of a sorority. You're just an anonymous virtue signaler as far as I can tell.

Where do you draw the line? SAEs singing "there will never be a n* SAE"? Banana eating Snap Chats comparing races with monkeys? Hanging a noose around the neck of a statue of a notable African American? Drunken Finstas declaring how you don't care about the plights of certain groups of people? Naming your team a racial pejorative? They're all kids. Their brains aren't fully formed. Let's give them a pass while telling them how naughty they are. That will make the rest of our members feel safe.

But boys will be boys, right?

Actually yeah, the noose aside, I'd probably give every single one of those kids a pass. It's biology. Their brains are not fully formed. Kids in college do stupid stuff and no matter how much virtue signaling you do behind an anonymous name, that's always going to be the case. Maybe you were perfect in your undergrad career and never did or said a single questionable thing by today's standards, that's likely not the case for many. And many who are guilty of things in their past have learned and moved on.

If you feel "unsafe" because some 18 year old doesn't care about the plight of certain group or named their team a racial pejorative, that's more on you than the kids. There is nothing in that team name or opinion about certain groups that threatens anyone's safety.

Maybe those kids make convenient targets for reprisal for the actual acts of real racists who are beyond your reach or members of the law enforcement community which actually do threaten minorities' safety. But that's what it is. These kids are convenient targets. They're just dumbass kids who should be afforded the opportunity to learn from their mistakes.

[LaneSig]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

Oh yes, it's hilarious and not racist at all to make a joke comparing your organization with one that has oppressed and murdered people of the "wrong" color, background or religion for over 150 years. Wearing white does not compare to membership in the KU Klux Klan, even in a joking manner, in a normal non-racist's brain. This is exactly the kind of aggression that makes us appear unwelcoming and non-inclusive.

At least Kappa did address it right away, so they have one up on Alpha Phi.

DP is that you?

[Kevin]

People are entitled to their feelings about these things. I'm not sure those feelings should translate into schools and organizations being so defensive that they overcorrect.

[TriDeltaSallie]

And we wonder why high school and college kids are so stressed out, depressed, hurting themselves, abusing drugs, etc. today? They make one stupid mistake and everyone is ready to ruin their lives and the lives of everyone they associate with.

I do not understand why when one person makes a stupid comment or does something stupid the current standard is now to condemn or eliminate the entire chapter or organization. Somehow I missed the memo that went out where we went from thinking college was a time for young adults to grow up and learn how to be mature adults to expecting perfection in everything they say or do from the minute their feet hit the campus.

I'm thankful my sisters and advisors operated in a kinder world where we were allowed to try, fail, and learn. We admonished plenty of sisters to grow up in different ways, sometimes in serious ways, but we never thought that the answer was to destroy them. That's not love. That's abuse.

It's a sick world the virtue signaling left wants us to live in.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

I do not understand why when one person makes a stupid comment or does something stupid the current standard is now to condemn or eliminate the entire chapter or organization.

This! I do NOT get it. I've been a member of several organizations through the years and many of them had stupid/clueless/horrible people with whom most of the members did not even deal with. The sh#! would have flown if we had been blamed for their actions. Why is it okay (PC?) to condemn the whole group now?

[33girl]

Because there is too much constant stimulation and things to think about nowadays, and people are either not built to take it all or lazy. If you write off a whole group because of something one person did that gives you one less thing to think about. Side note: this applies to all sides of the political spectrum.

[*winter*]

I feel like I say this over and over on this forum...but it's only in privileged places that the brain isn't fully formed at 18. Tell that to an 18 year old in Afghanistan who is already married and a parent and has to follow the rules of engagement, or else he is going to prison. Or an 18 year old in an urban neighborhood who doesn't have the ability to go to college. They mess up, they answer for it. What's fair is fair. 18 is old enough to not have your head in your ass and joke about the KKK.

Whether it's right, wrong or overly PC...we live in a world where what you post on social media, to quote one wise ADPi, is your resume. It's going to be with us for the rest of our lives. Jobs will search your social media- mine does. If parents aren't educating their kids about this, they're doing them a huge disservice.

[Rod D]

Originally Posted by *winter*

I feel like I say this over and over on this forum...but it's only in privileged places that the brain isn't fully formed at 18. Tell that to an 18 year old in Afghanistan who is already married and a parent and has to follow the rules of engagement, or else he is going to prison. Or an 18 year old in an urban neighborhood who doesn't have the ability to go to college. They mess up, they answer for it. What's fair is fair. 18 is old enough to not have your head in your ass and joke about the KKK.

Whether it's right, wrong or overly PC...we live in a world where what you post on social media, to quote one wise ADPi, is your resume. It's going to be with us for the rest of our lives. Jobs will search your social media- mine does. If parents aren't educating their kids about this, they're doing them a huge disservice.

You have any scientific evidence of this. All the studies seem to say the opposite.

[33girl]

She’s just saying that in those situations no one gives a shit about the scientific evidence. Not that the evidence doesn’t exist.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by *winter*

I feel like I say this over and over on this forum...but it's only in privileged places that the brain isn't fully formed at 18. Tell that to an 18 year old in Afghanistan who is already married and a parent and has to follow the rules of engagement, or else he is going to prison. Or an 18 year old in an urban neighborhood who doesn't have the ability to go to college. They mess up, they answer for it. What's fair is fair. 18 is old enough to not have your head in your ass and joke about the KKK.

Whether it's right, wrong or overly PC...we live in a world where what you post on social media, to quote one wise ADPi, is your resume. It's going to be with us for the rest of our lives. Jobs will search your social media- mine does. If parents aren't educating their kids about this, they're doing them a huge disservice.

Precisely.

And it's our fault. Those of us who have children and grandchildren in this age group, who have failed to demonstrate so far that choices have consequences and that their behavior will be excused by "childhood".

At 18, one is an adult. Period.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie

It's a sick world the virtue signaling left wants us to live in.

I was with you until you made it political.

[TriDeltaSallie]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I was with you until you made it political.

Then where else is this coming from? There is only one small but vocal portion of America that sees racism in everything that happens and tells white men they aren't allowed to speak or have an opinion.