how many greek s come from a masonic youth background?
 

I was cuirious in greek life everything and everyone has some sort of a connection. I am curious how many greeks here on GC spent time in masonic youth organizations like Job's Daughters, Rainbow and or Demolay?

I am a Past Honored Queen, Majority member, Past Grand Bethel girl and Past Bethel Guardian for Job's Daughters and a majority member of Rainbow

My dad was and still is very active in Masons and the Shrine, but I never joined Rainbow because the girls in it in my town were the snooty beeyotches who snubbed me in church & at school. I didn't feel the need to spend any more time with them. :rolleyes:

I'm a former Rainbow Girl - Past Worthy Advisor, Past Grand Representative, Majority Member. Also served on my Assembly's Advisory Board. I joined Eastern Star 2 years ago.:)

I think the Masonic groups have a lot to offer.

My dad is a Mason, as was his brother and also my grandfather. I am not. Mason frends ask why -- I have no answer.

It is interesting to note, though, than MANY founders of the early fraternities were from Masonic backgrounds. That includes the founder who wrote our Ritual. Because of that, many fraternity rituals are supposedly (I'm not an expert -- just what I've read) very much like the Masonic initiation.

ETA it just occurred to me that both my Grandmother and Step Mother were Eastern Stars, as well.

So rainbow etc are auxillary groups? You are not actually masons? Kind of like Fraternity little sisters before they got banned?

That is supposed to be a primary characteristic of Era II fraternities (1865 to mid-1890s.) Some Era I fraternities have masonic influences in their ritual, and of course, Acacia (Era III) does.

Uh, kind of. Those who are Masons are free to correct me.

By and large, only adult men (over 21) may become Masons.

There are various 'auxillary groups', including some aimed at youth.

You have DeMolay for boys 13-21 and Rainbow and Job's Daughters for girls 13-20. To join Rainbow or Job's Daugther's, you must be related to a member of the Masons or Eastern Star. I don't think such a requirement exists for DeMolay.

Also, there is Acacia, a college fraternity for Masons and sons of Masons.

I do know that some individuals have studied fraternity rituals and mason rituals. But realize that the masons were much larger in past times then today. Much of the secrecy ideas that exist in GLOs comes from the Masons (secret handshakes, secret passwords, the rituals and ritual items, etc).

It might be interesting if someone did the research on what orgs were founded by Masons. My Fraternity's founder (who also wrote our first rituals) was a Mason.

I'm a Rainbow Majority Member, former Worthy Advisor, and Grand Cross...but no Grand offices (does being in Grand Choir for a couple of years count??hee.).

No-Rainbow Girls are not Masons...only adult men can be Masons. I wouldn't say Rainbow/Job's Daughters are like little sister groups--more like daughter groups....but very organized & with their own governing body, ritual & procedures. The International Order of the Rainbow for Girls was founded by a Master Mason, and based on Christian principles, but it is above all, a service organization. The initiation ritual became open to parents of women being initiated who's parents were not members of Masonic orgs back in the '90s.

The ritual is surprisingly complex & beautiful for one performed by teenage girls.... I'm sad that Rainbow is shrinking b/c I think it was really good for me. I hope it is still around when my daughter is old enough to join

33Girl-its funny you said the Rainbow Girls in your town were snooty...in my town, we were the polar opposites-normal girls, no cheerleaders in the group...you would have liked us!

p.s. Rainbow is for unmarried girls 11-20. You do not have to be related to a Mason or Eastern Star to join--you can be sponsored by 2 members of those orgs (which is how I joined) & petition for membership as a "Friend of a Rainbow Girl."

I'm a PHQ and majority member. I haven't had any Jobies contact in decades. (Still have my PHQ pin, the Bible from my installation, and the jewelled crown from my HQ doll, though.)

AGD initiation robes are similar to IOJD robes. I remember showing my chapter sisters how to tie the cords the "right" (=Jobie) way.

I never joined Eastern Star, though. I am ambivalent about it and the other Masonic women's organizations that require relationship to a Master Mason (husband, father, grandfather, whatever) for membership. My college fraternity was founded by women, for women. I understand that Eastern Star (etc.) were designed to make Masonry a "family" experience but it bothers me that men are integral to Eastern Star (there's a Worthy Patron for each Worthy Matron) but women aren't integral to Blue Lodges.

hahahahahahaha. Sorry, couldn't help it.

My dad (AKL) did Demolay, and his dad was a Mason.

I joined Cali rainbow when I was 14 and LOVED it I am a 6 time past worthy advisor, hold a grand cross, held the grand office of choir director, and sang in the grand choir once, GOOD TIMES !! I'm going to be on the advisory board soon and I'm attending California grand assembly pretty soon. :D

I was a member of Job's Daughters when I lived in California.

I wasn't, but one of my best friends from elementary/middle/early high school was really active in Job's daughters. In middle school she wanted me to join, but my parents were against it and I think my lack of Masonic heritage might have been a deterrent. ;)

I did go to one of her installation ceremonies, though, and whenever I've run into her since college she's always liked hearing my sorority stories because they remind her of being a Jobie.

I'm exactly the same way. However, 2 years ago, I found out that Majority members of Rainbow/JD w/o Masonic relations can now join Eastern Star (rule changed a few years ago). I don't think I will join though, b/c my husband isn't interested and I wouldn't want to be a WM w/some random guy as WP...

I'm a member of the illuminati. Fear me and kiss my feet.

Why haven't I seen you at meetings?

We did, during the tea break after the discussion on who will get the Caspian Sea Oil Reserve. You were pretty drunk at the time.

From www.delts.org comes this quick bio on one of our founders:

"William R. Cunningham, 25, was only a freshman at the time Delta Tau Delta was formed. Because he was older and had become a Mason, however, he exerted much influence in the group. Cunningham, the picture of integrity, was probably responsible for much of the early language in both the Constitution and Ritual. He served as President of the Karnea in 1883. He was also a minister and held public office in the state of Washington."

Wow pretty cool! I am a member also of Eastern Star i joined when i was 18 back in 1987.

I am still active on Council for job's daughters. Being a past bethel guardian. I have the battle scars to prove it

I still have all my HQ stuff. My mother still holds all my formals.

Rainbow and Job's in my town when i was active as a girl were major compitition. Both groups in my honest opinion were both snooty! the saying use to be Demolays date rainbows and marry jobies.

dzandiloo OES passed that rule like 5 yrs ago to allow them to further reach out to female members to join. a few of my jobie sisters were able to join from that rule whereas they couldn't before.

Glitter 650 is grand assembly in bakersfield this yr? grand bethel and grand assembly i swear are in the two least favorite places in california...bakersfield and fresno... i remember when we use to be in anahiem that was a blast.

Rainbow does not need to be related to a mason only sponsered by one. job's daughters you do need a blood related mason to get in ( legacy) Demolay is like rainbow only masonic sponsership. I have so many masons, shriners, OES members coming out of me i was a total shoe in since my dad, grand dad and uncles were all member of the same lodge where jobies met.


I have dated so many demolay... i was even engaged to one once

Almost every member of my family is either a Mason and/or an Eastern Star. My father is the Worshipful Master of his lodge.

Most states require a man to be at least 21 to petition Freemasonry, but there are some states that will allow men as young as 18 or 19 to become members.

Masonic affiliation is no longer required for membership into Acacia, though many Acacia chapters are sponsored by local Masonic lodges.

Grand assembly is going to be in Fresno this year.... we've never had it in Bakersfield... but I"ve heard rumors it's going to start rotating there... yeah I miss the Anaheim days going to Disneyland on the time off... but it got expensive.... Yeah Fresno is really not the best city in Cali... but it's good times !!! It was really funny because my little was a rainbow girl too and the Phi Sigs like to make fun of us when we go into rainbow speak ( IE OH MI GOD I know Melissa, wasn't she a Grand Kentucky the moose year... are you going to grand cross breakfast ?) so one formal meeting we decided to show them what rainbow girls formal meant and showed up in our grand officer dresses, hoops and famous California Hair pieces....

I remember those hoops! Texas didn't wear them, but one year the Cali Grand WA & another floor officer visited the Texas GA, and they were wearing hoops when they went down on the floor to be introduced...the whole gliding thing was pretty cool! Our grand officers march was kind of a shuffling thing w/a hip shake. Interesting to see the diff.

Job's Daughters is pretty much non-existent (if not totally) in Texas, but a couple of my assembly members got initiated when they went to OK for Supreme Assembly one year.

I took a look at the photos of the installations on the Daughters of Job websites. Interesting stuff. I like the crowns. I want a crown, too!

This thread is fascinating to me as I never had any contact with any of these groups while growing up. It's like there's this whole world out there I know nothing about!

I have a question for one of the Daughters of Job ladies... I have two daughters and their great grandmother and great grandfather (he is deceased) are/were members of Eastern Star and the Masons. However, their grandmother and father aren't involved in those organizations. Is this "connection" considered close enough for my daughters to join Daughters of Job when they're old enough or is it more stringent (ie like being a sorority legacy)?

I really love the idea of a service organization for teens.

Thanks for the information! :)

My brother was in DeMolay but I never had any desire to join.

I had no idea Acacia was originally a Masonic fraternity. Learn something new every day! :)

I believe greatgrandfather is a close enough affiliation to join Job's... I know it's enough to join Eastern Star as I am a (decidely inactive member since the age of 18) If they can't join jobs your daughters could always join Rainbow if you have an assembly close enough the organizations are VERY similar in ideals and events... although I'd say that Rainbow has a stricter dress code.... :D Yeah all the states LOOOVE the California glide when I wore my stuff to our Phi Sig meeting they were all impressed...
It's funny because IMO rainbow ritual is A LOT more complicated than Phi Sig ritual ...so I'll think I"m doing something wrong because there aren't enough directions...


OHH.. and I have to ask have any past rainbow girls ever REALLY wanted to say Lord help us to keep our promise after a sorority prayer ???

Oh most definitely great grandfather and grandmother is pretty much a given to get in. most membership of the girls in job's Daughters right now is really based on GREAT- grandparents. I was fortunate to have my dad, my grand dad and my great grand dad as my link in. But great grand fathers are for sure your connection in. It can reach all the way back to great step grand father, great uncle, , etc... In the past few yrs Job's Daughters has open membership up greatly. PM for any and all info and i can get you names and contacts for Job's Daughters back where your at.

I have always explained Jobs daughters to be a sorority for young girls in jr high and high school. Membership is based on 11-20 yrs of age. And if you want service we do plenty fo that!:)

like i said PM me and i can get you hooked up!:)

OMG the california Roll......that is the coolest thing i ever saw. I went to Grand assemby the yr i was a grand bethel girl and seeing you all walk is soo neat. I still love the calif hair pieces.

You rainbows have us jobies beat when it comes to hoops and formals. Even my grand bethel girl dress was big and scarlett!LOL. though when i was active girl back in the early to mid 8os i had my fair share of hoops, pretty coats and scarlett o hara typ e formals.

How do you all do that walk.....it is like you are all floatinon air as you glide along.

What shocked me si the fact that Delta Zeta and Eatern Star has had a connection like arcaia and the masons...blew my mind wheni read that.

It's funny because IMO rainbow ritual is A LOT more complicated than Phi Sig ritual ...so I'll think I"m doing something wrong because there aren't enough directions...


Assuming that Rainbow ritual is very similar to Jobies (both being derived from Freemasonry), a great big chunk of the meeting is ritual. In Jobies it's the story of Job.... "remember the pious and prosperous Job, passing in peace over his vast estates." And "in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job, and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren." Jemimah, Keziah, and Keren-happuch are the daughters.

BTW, where do "Boy Builders" fit into the lineup of Masonic organizations?

Funny you should ask...I was a Rainbow girl & my little brother is in Demolay, and he wants to join a fraternity. I loved the grandeur of IORG, and I miss that in my sorority now. Our rituals are amazing, but all the Masonic Orders seem to have stuck to their roots & retained their amazing complexity & beauty.

Thanks!

LOL! That is soooo true!

BTW-there is a task force in Texas to loosen up the dress code a bit. Don't know if it's gone into force, but it looks good to me (dress pants will be allowed, and formals don't have to be white anymore...just no dark colors).

A friend of mine from california was on the Job's daughters team to try and institute more bethels down that way but i guess it really did not get up and going. I use to live in Oklahoma and was very active there too.


Dress code issues...... I wish they would loosen it up some. I mean dress pants is good but these old timers ( i mean the old ,old ones) will not change a dang thing ...and you wonder why these kindof groups are fledgling

Actually Cali rainbow just loosened up on their dress code... NICE NICE dress pants are ok for regular meetings.. but formals must be worn to initiation meetings and installation dresses can also now be "tea length" (to the ankles) rather than 2 inches from the floor... Cali rainbow can wear color as long as it's not too dark... no super dark blue or green or purple basically... and people complain about dressing for formal sorority meetings. :rolleyes:
As far as the "gliding" in a hoop... I could tell you... but then I"d have to kill you ;)
Nah... really it's just making sure you walk with your whole foot... heel through toe and making sure to mind your posture. It is impressive though when you see that floor work done on the grand floor with about 40 ladies all gliding and making formations and such...=== getting all nostalgic === SIGH

Whoa!!! Time for some clarification
 

Members of Rainbow Girls, Order of Demolay, Job's Daughters, Daughters of Isis, Order of Amaranth, Knights of Pythagoras, and the Order of the Eastern Star, for those who weren't sure, are NOT Masons! They are members of appendant bodies of Freemasonry.

True, minute and particular elements of Masonic language and order are found in fraternity and sorority ritual, but they are in no way similar to the rituals used in a Masonic Lodge. Being a Master Mason myself, I felt I should bring about some truth on this subject. If there are any other questions anyone has (without trying to seek out secrets, because I certainly will not answer them) respond here or PM me.

For someone who has been around this my entire life( 34 yrs to be exact) we never would of and did not seek to find out secerts or did i ever mention and i believe i can safely say no one tried to say these groups share the same elements the masons do nor did we say we were masons. If your a master mason then you know these groups are derived from the masons... that is what i was saying.

James to simply answer the question... masonic organizations are basically *kinda* Like NPC... serperate organizations with their own traditions and ritual... but all in one big happy family that work together to help out one another :D

Cutie, I didn't mean to say anyone was trying to step into unchartered territory and trying to obtain any secrets. I was merely giving clarification, but I didn't mean to come off harsh. If I did, I apologize to you and everyone else. My offer still stands if anyone has questions about Freemasonry, they are welcome to ask and I will answer them as far as I am allowed to do so.